SP saving via NetMD - some tech info

[Deen]

Hello! I'm very excited about the work and dedication of Zyan and probably a few others. I got my MZ-N1 yesterday, and it made my stomack hurt. Accepting the fact that CD-R and CD-RW already exists and does what it does, can't just our net-MD's be allowed to be a convenient portable disk drive? (Onto which you can drag and drop any file of any format, though it'd have to be some ATRAC stuff to be played on a regular MD-player.) I mean: Why put these crippling restrictions on a media that is -shame, shame, shame- a marginal force compared to CD (in all variations)?
I feel like I should return the player, but it's still an ok walkman with recording facility... Well, it seems it's missing Music Sync recording (making it start recording when there actually is sound), and I wonder why.
The net-MD part is worthless to me until it means I can drag and drop (why not?) song files from their respective folders, and onto the MD (like a drive F: or something), preferrably in windows. -AND likewise the other way, at LEAST when the songs was recorded from an analogue source (or, you know...), allowing me to make a digital copy of it anytime, anyway on another MD! This is foolishness. Our children will laugh at us. -Much the way we laugh at wallpaper from the early 70's... Nice colours!
I don't quite understand Sony. MD would rule the world if... well, they are also a record company, but then we're back at CD-R/RW which already rules the world. *SIGH* Good luck in your research, friend(s)!

[BroadcastTek]

I'm most impressed to see the efforts (and the brainpower) going to working around this OpenMG garbage. While it's obvious that there are a helping of immature kids here on the block, it's refreshing to see the board dominated by those of more-than-average intelligence.

By rough guestimate (important engineering skill...guestimating) there aren't a ton of Mac users here, which isn't that shocking, especially having read what some of you are going through just to get that miserable OpenCrap software to run...(Did I read correctly that some of you are actually formatting your harddrives to "properly" run this awful, awful software??!!)

I found this forum in my search for Mac software for my new 707. Yes, I happily use a Mac, and no, I don't think this is the place for the Mac vs PC thing...At first, I was bummed to learn that I may never stuff MP3's into my NetMD. I now understand why there may never be even Mac drivers for the Net MD...That'd mean that Sony would need to write code that didn't suck, because no Mac user in their right mind would ever tolerate such sloppy software, brutal install, and crap all over your hard drive, never mind Sony taking control of the music that is rightfully YOURS, and telling you what to do with it. (Sounds alot like WinXP, doesn't it?)

Through the wonders of Virtual PC, I have every intention of getting MP3's out of iTunes and into my NetMD. (Believe it or not, Windows runs GREAT on a Mac, and it's a breeze to remove AWFUL software like Open MG) Should anyone care, I'll be happy to keep you posted, and of course, I'm looking for suggestions. I'm going down the "audio cd image" road for starters...using some form of Mac software to get a CD image, and SucksLessSimpleBurn (running in VirtualPC) to get the stuff into the MD.

Heck, even without the USB functionality, it's a neat replacement for the old MZR70 my "news babe" DROPPED. (AlthoughI think that had a line out) Still a wonderful format (at least for voice) and a dandy field recorder. No, it ain't an iPod, but it's 1/2 the price, and has a mic input.

Again, great forum, amazing level of smarts here...
Good work!

[nilbog]

First off - Broadcast - It's very easy to say "I don't want to start a MAC/PC debate", and then proceed to rip on PC's throughout your post. This action does not show very much intellegence. But hey, I'm not going to try getting into a flaming war, you're just an idiot.
...Now, I didnt mean that, but you see that is not a very logical approach.

OKay, now onto the logical stuff..
Dean - Sony offers (or rather, offered) DataMD drives a while back. They cost an arm and a leg. THey still produce the DataMD discs but they cost about $15 a piece. I have quite a few because a piece of recording equipment I have uses them. You can still find the DataMD drives on ebay for pretty cheap. they are external and double as portable players.

I also noticed the new Sony Viao's have a MD drive. I don't know if these do data.

Here's the next questions:

Is Sony nice enough to release a software update and let us all do true SP transfers, or will they do like most bloodsucking corporations, and just incorporate it into thier next product and make us all buy it?

Also, will Sony stomp on a OpenMG alternative as soon as it comes out?

-nilbog

[Michaelbe]

Although I've only been hanging around this forum a month, BroadcastTek's post above is the first I've read that is as nasty as those of other boards. BroadcastTek, having read some of your other posts today, I can honestly say that you're a welcome addition to this board and can probably contribute significantly without the flames. I have a PC because they are compatable with the world and you can configure them and tweek them anyway you want. I've used Mac's in the past and love them, they are great machines (although I've seen them crash and hang occasionally, just not as much as my beloved Win 98).

[BroadcastTek]

Ignoring those who chose to respond childishly (not surpisingly, mostly children) I hereby beg forgiveness of anyone I unkowingly "dissed" in my first ever post here...but you got the wrong message.

Rather than to berate the 70 millon PC users out there, my intention was to express my frustration at the open acceptance of such a miserable bit of software as the greatest code since MPEGIII, and such a "closed system" where Sony, not the owner, calls the shots; even if it's YOUR PC and YOUR music.

I'm not saying anyone is fooolish, or ignorant, or anything like that, just because you might use a different OS than I do. Your choice in no way devalues mine, and I have nothing to gain or lose from whatever Windows OS you run.

My point was that there is NO motivation for sony to improve its software at all if it's commonly accepted practice to rebuild your whole computer just to run it.

Hopefully, that clears it up.

[Michaelbe]

Personally, I don't get upset when people trash my PC. I have no personal attachment to it, it just does what I need it to (at least most of the time ). My issue was that this forum is a very positive place with very few personal attacks, and I personally would like it to stay that way. As an adult in a land of "children", I would expect that you would try to be a positive role model. Again, welcome aboard and I look forward to your future postings.

BTW, I am not a child, but my wife says I act like one most of the time

[me]

What, may I ask, is wrong with children?

ANYWAY..
Of course everyones going to accept the program if they buy a netmd. I know I can't program anything better... From what i've read of these forums, people accept it (except magicthyse. Refer to avatar for explanation ) but not as the greatest since mp3.. (OMfG, OpenMcCrap etc..)

My view of this? I don't like it, so i'm sure as hell not going to buy it

Originally posted by BroadcastTek
Ignoring those who chose to respond childishly (not surpisingly, mostly children) I hereby beg forgiveness of anyone I unkowingly "dissed" in my first ever post here...but you got the wrong message.

Rather than to berate the 70 millon PC users out there, my intention was to express my frustration at the open acceptance of such a miserable bit of software as the greatest code since MPEGIII, and such a "closed system" where Sony, not the owner, calls the shots; even if it's YOUR PC and YOUR music.

[Deen]

nilbog. -Wasn't that a code of some sort, in Might & Magic VI? Yeah, for some door in the Goblin Fortress(?) near New Sorpigal! But I guess you might have thought of goblin backwards all by yourself! To the subject: I am aware of the MDdata - discs and their features, as I bought a MDM-X4 when it hit the market. I only wish that all MD's where the same, and all was accepted fully as a storage media every bit (no pun intended) equal to CD-RW, and a nose ahead in userfriendliness. (What a sentence, WHAT a word! Norwegians... )
I have read enough to know about the "why's" and "wherefore's" of MD's a bit sorry state, but this protecting of songwriters is the reason why MD didn't happen big time, and it's also a violation of liberty. Take it from someone who is recording an album of original material, as we speak. I see both sides, and I choose the side of those who listen to music. It is for those we write songs, not for the money. (If the art is true, then this is true.)
I put my faith in that it will someday come an alternative to ClosedMG. I would pay handsomely for something like that, because my NetMD would be useful, and I've already paid almost 4000NOK (500 Euro) for it.
Cheers, everyone!

[axxman]

QUOTE]Originally posted by BroadcastTek
[b]I'm most impressed to see the efforts (and the brainpower) going to working around this OpenMG garbage. While it's obvious that there are a helping of immature kids here on the block, it's refreshing to see the board dominated by those of more-than-average intelligence.

By rough guestimate (important engineering skill...guestimating) there aren't a ton of Mac users here, which isn't that shocking, especially having read what some of you are going through just to get that miserable OpenCrap software to run...(Did I read correctly that some of you are actually formatting your harddrives to "properly" run this awful, awful software??!!)

well you could go a little further and say there aren't a lot of Mac users anywhere. But ok be that as it may, pc users tend to do quite a bit of experimenting, many people, myself included inevitably resort to formatting as a way to fix a problem. I wouldnt limit this to a minidisc issue. Anyway, I am not making excuses for openMG, did the formatting help? If not, then it wasnt a requirement to run openMG most likely. I would also point out that at least harwarewise, PCs are "open" which you point out later is a good thing. But when you have hundreds, if not thousands of different harware manufacturers making devices that must all somehow work off the same platform. This is not so much the case with Apple. For a long time, Apple was a "closed" system, and that is what got them where they are today. Under 10% market share. In fact, correct me if I am wrong, I wouldnt want to "guesstimate" but it was around august 1997 just after Microsoft bought 10% of Apple that they opened things up. Anyway, unix is a fine OS and I am sure that apple is on it's way to continued profitability, maybe someday I will even buy one.

I found this forum in my search for Mac software for my new 707. Yes, I happily use a Mac, and no, I don't think this is the place for the Mac vs PC thing...At first, I was bummed to learn that I may never stuff MP3's into my NetMD. I now understand why there may never be even Mac drivers for the Net MD...That'd mean that Sony would need to write code that didn't suck, because no Mac user in their right mind would ever tolerate such sloppy software, brutal install, and crap all over your hard drive, never mind Sony taking control of the music that is rightfully YOURS, and telling you what to do with it. (Sounds alot like WinXP, doesn't it?)

Sounds a lot like Apple as well, dont understand the xp bash though, xp doesnt seem to care about my mp3s.


Through the wonders of Virtual PC, I have every intention of getting MP3's out of iTunes and into my NetMD. (Believe it or not, Windows runs GREAT on a Mac, and it's a breeze to remove AWFUL software like Open MG) Should anyone care, I'll be happy to keep you posted, and of course, I'm looking for suggestions. I'm going down the "audio cd image" road for starters...using some form of Mac software to get a CD image, and SucksLessSimpleBurn (running in VirtualPC) to get the stuff into the MD.

Heck, even without the USB functionality, it's a neat replacement for the old MZR70 my "news babe" DROPPED. (AlthoughI think that had a line out) Still a wonderful format (at least for voice) and a dandy field recorder. No, it ain't an iPod, but it's 1/2 the price, and has a mic input.

You didnt mind paying twice the price for a Mac so why is it an issue now?

Good luck, I wish you all the best.



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Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

[axxman]

Originally posted by BroadcastTek
Ignoring those who chose to respond childishly (not surpisingly, mostly children) I hereby beg forgiveness of anyone I unkowingly "dissed" in my first ever post here...but you got the wrong message.

Rather than to berate the 70 millon PC users out there, my intention was to express my frustration at the open acceptance of such a miserable bit of software as the greatest code since MPEGIII, and such a "closed system" where Sony, not the owner, calls the shots; even if it's YOUR PC and YOUR music.

ok but what about music that didnt belong to you? What is the difference betweent that, and going into a store and shoplifting? What about stealing cable tv? Sneaking into the movies? What is the difference, please explain, you have a mac so you must know.


?????Now, my question, where do you get the idea of "open acceptence" do you have evidence to support this or is this just another "guesstimate"? I really want to know? As far as I can tell, everyone here is looking for a way around it. "Closed System" yeah, I agree, that is how apple went down to 4% marketshare before realizing nobody wanted to develop software for their platform.


I'm not saying anyone is fooolish, or ignorant, or anything like that, just because you might use a different OS than I do. Your choice in no way devalues mine, and I have nothing to gain or lose from whatever Windows OS you run.

Then why bring it up. for goodness sake stop whining. Its childish.

My point was that there is NO motivation for sony to improve its software at all if it's commonly accepted practice to rebuild your whole computer just to run it.

? Again, where do you find this to be "commonly accepted" do you have ANYTHING to back up what you are saying?

Hopefully, that clears it up.
Not really, basicly, you want an Ipod but are too cheap to buy one. Good luck no hard feelings.